PCN 33e Dulwich village northbound towards pickwick road 01/06/2021 - Page 2

You can view the pcn video online, you will then be able to workout which road you approached the roundabout, if you approached roundabout and immediately turned left into Dulwich Village bus gate, that means you approached via Burbage Road, if it looks like you approached straight on, then Gallery Road, if your vehicle was coming off the roundabout, probably College Road.

Hello Ryan,

I've been back to the village and would have been travelling from Gallery road on both occassions.

I would have parked on Gallery road and then headed onto the roundabout to go straight through the village.

Seems like the only sign to warn you is as you are coming off the roundabout . Would that be the basis of my appeal.

Thanks for you help if you have the time.

See my draft representations in post #24 on page 2 here

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=140786&st=20

After you make your representations to Southwark, they will probably reject them and send you a Notice of Rejection. At this point you would either pay the discount or take it to London Tribunals and risk the full penalty. 

Although some adjudicators allow appeals regarding this Bus Gate, theres some that have rejected appeals too. Its basically risk appealing, but what choice does one have when Southwark just reject everyones reps with the same template response.

Any questions let me know

Thank you so, so much Ryan.

I studied psychology many, many years ago and vaguely remember research that looked at executive functioning and road signs.The outcome of the research informed the deign of road signs as our streets became busier and more cluttered with information. Fundamentally our brains can only compute particular types of visual information whilst undertaking a task that requires focus i.e. driving. I think we are being visually overloaded hence we are unable to see the signs in time to act. 

I think I might make this a wee project and dig out my old notes. Perhaps there's a scientific arguement to be deleloped to counter this kind of entrapment. So frustrating!

Thanks again. Really appreciate your advice.

Edit:

Yes on second thought thats valid point to raise in representation.

Hi Ryan

I received a contravention 33e for entering Burbage Rd via Gallery Road.

I do recall seeing a 'No Through Road Ahead' upon entry on Gallery Road from Thurlow Park Road but as there were cars coming from opposite way it just confused me as to what the sign was about.

It wasn't until I turned left at the junction and drove through Burbage Road until Turney Road junction that I saw the big red " Restricted Access" signs placed at eye level that I began to realise what changes might have been made to traffic flow. But of course it was too late by then:( 

I went back to trace my route and to find the sign that actually told me of the restriction on Burbage Rd. there was only one right at the entrance; small and not at eye level informing of times and vehicles allowed.

Would I have grounds to appeal on following please?

  there are no signs on A205 warning on changes of traffic regulation when turning towards Dulwich Village. ( I strongly feel that early notice should be given)

I find both signs unclear for the car driver.

The no through sign is actually unclear as it is only no through for Burbage road therefore not specific (thats why there was still oncoming traffic on Gallery Road)

The actual sign being on Road entry is too late,  too small and again not clear enough for the car driver who if seenat all, will need considerable time to decipher if it is applicable to them.

Might you be able to help here please? 

 I often used to take this route to get to Herne Hill from Forest Hill but haven't done so since pandemic. On the day I gad my Covid booster jab and my thinking was to reduced driving hence pollution time. I tend to cycle more these days. As car drivers we are slowly getting used to LTNs and having big flower plants helps to get used to changes in traffic routes. Changes to traffic flow should be made much more visible if the intent really is about supporting better air quality. 

Many thanks for your time.

Angels

@angels I will send you message regarding your question.

Good morning

Just received a penalty charge on towards Pickwick road,have anyone challenge and win before pls?

Thanks 

You can read previous appeal decisions on the London Tribunals website, by clicking on the statutory register of appeals in the appellant portal which is available to the public, it can be found under the Environment & Traffic Adjudicators page.

If you know the case reference of any decision then you can just search that. If not, theres multiple search fields on the register of appeals, so just select “Southwark” in the (Enforcing Authority) field, then in the (PCN location) field just type “Dulwich%” or just write the location as exactly written on the pcn. And then enter date range e.g. 01/01/2022 - a recent date for example, you can obviously search older decisions but keep the range closer together otherwise it will take a long time to load the history of decisions.

When no results show then it can help to write a percentage % after any of the words, e.g. if the pcn location was “Duke of Wellington Avenue” you could enter the % at the end of those words or you could search “Duke of%” and the appeal/decision results would appear provided you have entered the Enforcing Authority field and a date range.

With regards to the Dulwich bus gate, many appeals have been refused this year, however some were allowed recently for some reasons. If you do appeal to London Tribunals, then its probably best to select a personal hearing, rather than postal decision. Sometimes they might do a telephone hearing, and you can always supply your own footage as evidence to demonstrate your case, I think they even accept youtube links from what others have said.

Hi I have just received exactly the same,  same rd ect. 4 25pm. Had my disabled father in the car & he desperately needed the toilet,  nearest ones I could think of ( from top end by the college  )were in the park, I guess that is how I got done. How did your appeal go , is it worth me trying to appeal against it  ?